that it stops us from meeting a host of other challenges we face, grace jobs, boosting incomes, fixing the infrastructure, fixing the immigration system, protecting our planet from the harmful effects of climate change, boosting domestic energy production, protecting our kids from the horrors of gun violence. it's not just possible to do these things but an obligation to ourselves and future generations. i look forward to working with every single member of congress to meet this obligation in the new year, and i hope that everybody now gets at least a day off, i guess, a few days off so that people can refresh themselves, because we have a lot of work to do in 2013. thanks, everybody. happy new year. >> that is president obama earlier tonight at the white house. if you are still with us, though, what a day it has ben. the fiscal cliff has been averted. we do have a deal in washington

d.c. the president will sign it. the congress goes out with a big bang. now it's time for the daily run down. have a very good night. >> democrats was soon forget the acquaintances they made in 2012 that propelled president obama to four more years. what's in store and what will the president be able to accomplish before leaving the white house? recent history shows some highs and lows for second term presidents. what can president obama learn from the mistakes and big breaks that shaped the country for the last 30 years? and a who's who to keep your eyes on for the coming year. it will new names emerged as the leading voices of their parties? whoa old familiar ones jockey for the next presidential fight? happy holidays and new year and hello from washington. this is a special year-end

edition of the daily rundown but also a preview. all this hour we will look at what lessons we got from 2012 and what they will mean. maybe we'll even slept in something about 2015. let's get right to my first brief. how did president obama higher than any incumbents seeking reelection since fdr win 332 votes, sweep eight of the 9 battleground states and even have his party pick up senate seats to get to 55? they look ahead to 2016. there are four lessons that 2016 hopefuls from both parties might want to keep in mind. don't define yourself, your opponent will do it for you. romney met the president's

personal attacks go largely unanswered. his campaign argued after you'd that they had to choose how to spend what was limited funds. in the end, obama beat romney by ten points. on the economic question, which candidate is more in touch with people like you. romney, the first republican nominee in the history of our "wall street journal" poll to go into its convention with this personal rating under water. just 47% of voters viewing him positively. there were also able to get more bang for their buck because they bought ads early and were very careful about where to buy the ads. they paid $550 for a single ad

in raleigh, north carolina. they had to show at $2,665 for the same spot. the obama campaign purchased its way ahead of time. romney bought it the week of. the republican brand needs a hard look. they have been under water for two years since december 2010. if you take that out, nearly five years. in the final poll before the election, 36 percent of voters said they had a positive view of the republican party. the democratic party's were in positive territory but barely. more than 20 republican primary put -- now what as the party debates whether to moderate or modernize, it has to repair its image, particularly among key groups. that leads us to listen three.

demographics are destiny. ronny won a higher percentage than any candidate since ronald reagan. he beat obama by 20 points. by 14 points among white women, five points among independents. he won all these groups by more than george w. bush did in 2004. he lost by a wider margin than john kerry because the composition of the electorate changed. as the obama campaign predicted, the white portion dropped from 74% in 2008 to 72%. the president carried nearly eight in ten including 71% of latinos, 73% of asian voters and 93% of black voters. it's a question whether they will be able to hold the obama coalition together, which includes young voters. the republican party is right to

be re-examining its relationship with minorities. finally, lesson four. don't ignore the data. pulls matter. more of them are right than wrong. it consistently show the president head, but the romney campaign believed that he would win. they assumed that the enthusiasm numbers did favor them, but they did not have enough voters. more than any cycle, many republicans bought into any turn it alternative where the vast majority were the product of a conspiracy created by pollster masterminds. in 2016, much of the emphasis will be an improvement on the technological juggernaut the same time the republican bill will is. don't ignore the data that is available to anyone with a

computer. it's known as the second term curse. they successfully win reelection only to have a rough ride in years five ric-mack. sometimes it's sour in relationships, personal problems, unforeseen external events and scandal. there is always an issue. the first post-election news conference the president himself acknowledged that his predecessors have their versions of second term struggles. >> i don't presume that because i won the election everybody suddenly agrees with me on everything. i am more than familiar with all the literature about presidential overreach in second terms. >> but familiarity does not always do the trick. here is president clinton after his reelection in 1996. >> in modern times, second term for presidents have been disappointing or disastrous. i wonder if you have drawn lessons on why that is so.

>> the things that derail a second term are basically three. one is that some external event intervenes in the president can't fulfill his dreams or hopes or his agenda. sometimes the president thinks he has more of a mandate in tries to do too much in the absence of cooperation. thirdly, the president runs out of steam. >> in november of 1972, president richard nixon told reporters, my study of elections in this country is that second terms almost inevitably are down hill. yes, richard nixon said that in '72. after a string of successes in his first term and after narrowly winning a second term, president bush claimed a mandate. >> when you win, there is a feeling that the people have spoken and embraced your point of view. that is what i intend to tell the congress. i learned political capital and

intend to spend it. >> spend it he did. bush made the stark admission. to the press corps. >> just after the '20 -- 2004 election, you had an enviable balance of capital and strong mandate. would to make that claim today? >> i would say i am spending that capital on the war. >> up only did plummeting support for the award, but he also over reached with the social security privatization. his efforts collapsed under the weight of the other issue. they bundled the response to hurricane katrina. when they nominated him, republicans did not even fall in line. the publicly called him unqualified after three weeks he was forced to withdraw. shortly before he left office, they had sunk to a miserable 27%.

congress had been a thorn in the side of second term presidents. it's a question whether president obama will be able to forge a relationship with congress this time the well-go around. congressional investigation and impeachment then followed, which completely derailed any agenda and he hoped to push in that second four years. >> i have to go back to work on my state of the union speech, and i worked on it until pretty late last night, but i want to say one thing to the american people, i want you to listen to me and i will say this again, i did not have sexual relations with that woman. ms. wilensky. >> bo ronald reagan pushed through an overhaul, he also became embroiled in the iran-contra affair. >> a few months ago i told the american people i did not trade

arms for hostages. my heart and my best intentions tell me that is true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. >> there is a bright side if lincoln had and had a second term, he wouldn't have won the civil war. without a second term, fdr would be remembered as the president who didn't and the great depression. still, second terms don't last four years. they are shorter than that. how long will obama have? is he aware that a second term, domestically, only lasts a year to 18 months? political junkies know we don't have to wait until 2016 or 2014 for a next fix. we have blockbuster races for governor in two big states, virginia and new jersey. the clintons versus the tea party. terry mcauliffe takes on the

republican -- clinton rally put himself and center and that challenge to the health care and is a 2-party favorite and a favorite of social conservatives. money and the backing of the clintons did not do enough. he raised $8 million and lost badly. the key question, which candidate wins this race? he is hoping to break this virginia curse. since 1976, the party that wins the presidency loses the gubernatorial election the next year. it's never wavered. 2001, current democratic senator, mark warner defeated a republican. 52% of the vote. 2005, tim kaine beat jerry by six points. bob macdonald won by 17 points during president obama's difficult first year. it was expected to be about 40% electric.

will it be a conservative enough to elect can? we will see. moving on to new jersey. if you are thinking about working on hillary's presidential campaign, you have to send your resume to carry mccullough. i am not fully joking about that. chris christy and he hopes to scare off any serious democratic competition while building a platform for political success. his run for a second term and his presidential ambitions will be shipped on how he manages the hurricane sandy effort. will christy, who famously declared now is not my time in the fall of 2011, make moves toward a presidential bid? people close to him believe the biggest mistake mitt romney made in 2006 was not trying to seek a second term in massachusetts. they believe their best shot at

becoming the nominee in 26 team is winning reelection in new jersey in 2013. we have a gaggle of political junkies joining us. stephanie cotter, kevin madden, plus chris elissa and carry banken. there will be here next. now we are going beyond hillary and jeb. politicians to watch in the new year. you are watching a special edition of the daily run down.

call of the daily run down's dirty dozen. we will be watching over the next 12 months. some of them are household names, and the rest we expect will be soon. vice-president buy-in, secretary of state, hillary clinton. bennett, elizabeth warren and angus "king."

we have nikki haley, marco rubio, paul ryan, mike pence, jeb bush and soon-to-be former senator from south carolina, jim demint. stephanie, the deputy campaign manager for the pre-election campaign and kevin madden, a senior adviser for governor romney's campaign. hello and thank you for being here. >> hello. >> i threw out my dozen, and i asked you to pick two. we will not do the 2016 composition now, but in a few minutes. >> all holding up. >> who jumped out at you? >> i am now ready and focused on down ballot races.

i did pick michael bennet, the colorado senator because he is the new head of the senatorial committee. he has passed with trying to again keep a democratic senate majority going to be difficult if 10 republican seats up. >> and he wants to be majority leader someday. >> right. they ask him and he said no. he said yes this time. >> why pence? >> mike pence spent time in congress. i think he is a guy who we underrate in terms of his influence. we have seen in places like ohio, florida, wisconsin, how republican governors can have influence on the conversation. pens is a conservative who is a believer. he will push an agenda. >> perry, you pick two governors. >> jerry brown, first time ever since 1993, california

supermajority, two-thirds majority. they do whatever they want. i am curious what that means, how does he use it, the liberal panacea we will see. >> and went with rising star out in south carolina struggling. >> niki haley is struggling. at the same time, she is this big national figure. they are looking for diverse voices. she is one of the mob leading ones. i am curious what she does going forward. >> your picks were? one was predictable, one was unpredictable. >> i picked elizabeth warren, who is my home state new senator. she has senator kennedy to be seat. i think she is the most high-profile freshman senator without a doubt. >> probably since hillary clinton. >> probably, yes. i think she's coming in with her head down, looking for people to

work with, reach across the aisle, moderating. i don't want to guess, but i do know there are some great thing she can accomplish there. it's rumored she will be on the senate banking committee. she has been a consumer watchdog. this will be interesting to watch. >> she will but heads with the democrats. that will be interesting. or other pick. >> paul ryan. as a democrat, he was met ronnie's running mate. i think he came out of this race with a good reputation. he has a lot of opportunity this year. he is a reformer in the party, republican party is doing a lot of introspection on what they need to do to address the changing demographics in this country. he has an opportunity to step up. >> how does he do it in the house? >> he is known as being ideological. he can open it up. >> you have the big two.

>> i think marco rubio is one of the people i picked because people are working for new, diverse voices inside the republican party. whether he likes it or not, marco rubio will become a national figure in that regard. he will be emblematic of the republicans's abilities and their effort to reach out to new audiences. they are also looking for people to represent the future of the party. many conservatives will use marco rubio petey vessel. >> he has to get immigration finished. how does he make it happen? how does he navigate it and -- >> and go beyond immigration? how does he not get pigeonholed and become somebody who can become a national leaders. >> hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton, whether she likes it or not, is this clinton industrial news complex.

everything she does sparks speculation, sparks all of these incredible obsessions -- obsessing over whether it's a positioning for this year, another year, positioning against somebody. that is something that will happen. people will be looking at whether or not her preparations look like and if she can inherit the obama success. >> you guys stuck me with the four none of you pick, joe biden. angus "king." that would be what i am watching. jeb bush may be the transitional leader whether he likes it or night, and then jim demint. >> i think it's very hard for jim demint to go into -- in many ways it's this time warner merger. it makes a lot of sense on paper.

jim demint going outside of the senate into something that is in the think-tank world. >> we will have more of this from the gaggle coming up. the six-year itch. a bedrock of conventional wisdom. is it just a minute thing? we will let you know whether we think this is real or simply a coincidence. first, who was the first president and the most recent president to officially start a term on a sunday? the answer and more is coming up on the daily run down. we will be right back.

today we are taking a deep dive into whether the six-year itch is real or simply a coincidence that just happened a few times. a look back at history, if you will. at the last five two-term presidents. truman, even though he wasn't elected in 1934, he took over after fdr was because he resigned before the second midterm shellacking. in truman's second term, as you can see, in that mid term in 1950, his democratic party lost 28 seats in the house, 6 in the senate. the old gop lost 48, up 13. >> it did cost the republicans

control of the senate in the process. president clinton is the out wire here. he did not lose anything in the second midterm. he stayed even in the senate question mark staying even in the senate. eight years later in 2006 president bush got hammered. republicans lost 30 seats in the house, six in the senate, but, of course, more importantly, control of both houses were gone from the republicans. a couple of things to note here. the 1988 election under president clinton marked the only time a sitting two-term president saw any kind of gains in his second midterm in the modern era. two-term presidents typically have one really bad midterm and one not so bad. for instance are eisenhower's party did much better in his midterm than his second. truman's party did the opposite. it was much worse in 1946 than it was in 1950. reagan split decision after losing big in the house and gaining a senate seat in 1982. republicans lost seven senate seats in 1986 and lost senate seats in 1986 and the control, but did better in the house. let's take a look at our next one.

the two most recent examples of midterms. bill clinton's democrats lost 54 house seats and eight senate seats in 1994 before turning the tables with those surprise wins in 1998. both parties said in the 1998 result was due in part, maybe in whole, to the public backlash against republicans who seem too focused on the lewinsky scandal rather than governing. president bush saw the opposite. had a great first midterm. not so great second one. two republican midterms there. gaining ground in both chambers under bush in 2002. a 9/11 halo effect, if you will, before losing big in 2006. what's behind the truth of the theory of the six-year itch? it seems logical that the political pendulum would swing from one party to the other over the course of six years. there are extenuating circumstances that make it hard to draw any sweeping conclusions. by the time his second midterm rolled around harry truman was into intervention in korea. a controversial effort that

republicans used against his party. eisenhower was saddled with the midterms of 1958. u.s. unemployment had spiked to nearly 7%. that was double what it had been when he was first elected six years earlier. during the 2006 midterm the u.s. was three years into the iraq war and facing heavy sectarian violence. a combination that put -- what are the lessons for president obama and the democrats? should they worry about a six-year itch? i say maybe not so much. here's why. because in 2010 the party lost 63 seats in the house, six seats in the senate. president obama famously called it a shellacking and it was. there's reason to think will he do better. he limits his losses like reagan did or even add seats in the house like clinton. president obama is almost guaranteed to do better in the house. very hard frankly to do worse than what he did in his first midterm. then democrats have this anecdote. basically hold on to the control of the senate. president can declare partial victory for that. that was the importance of democrats adding two senate

seats. sitting at 55. republicans had to win big winning six senate seats is big, and that's what they have to do to get control in 2014. the gaggle will be back right after the break. the good, the bad, and the ugly of the 2012 ad season. they made us laugh. some made us cringe. which ones made people go out and actually vote? you are watching a special edition of "the dell rundown" only on msnbc.

♪ o beautiful for spacious skies for amber waves of grain for purple mountains majesty above the fruited plain america, america, god shed his grace on thee and crown thy good ♪ >> our gaggle here was almost

unanimous in naming that ad as one of the most memorable and effective ads of the 2012 campaign. that's saying something. in a race where nearly $1 billion was spent on television advertising alone. just in the presidential race. it was tough to stand out. >> both of you picked that ad as the most effective and both of you on the democratic side -- you both picked the most effective ad on the republican side. here it is. >> he tried. you tried. it's okay to make a change. >> so i thought that was interesting. it's almost like you're respecting the other's work. ken, you picked the america the beautiful. >> i remember when that ad came out. it was previewed on a sunday morning. stephanie and i were both on "face the nation." i was actually -- first time i saw it while we were on air, and i remember while it's playing i was thinking that is a very good ad. i mean, it's oftentimes if we use a candidate's words against him.

i had never heard him using his singing against him. by the way, they used it again and again. >> if you say the 2012 campaign, it is very likely you will get someone singing an off key version of "america the beautiful." >> the big problem we had and i think what the obama campaign tried to use to their advantage was that this is -- mitt romney is not somebody who you can identify with. with the heart of that ad was that nobody watching that ad has accounts in the caymens. it just seemed, you know, something with them that they could not identify with. it made it their point much easier. >> it was a negative ad with a light touch. in a way -- that is always the most effective negative ad. that little light touch. >> here he is singing about america the beautiful. then, you know, it forces you to turn and look at the tv and then on the tv you see just it scroll down cayman island investments, swiss bank account. it was the perfect -- if he believes in america, why is he investing overseas?

>> let's jump to the rnc ad, you thought that was the most effective attack ad on the president, and you were wondering where did it go? >> right. that was the argument that we were worried most about. if you look at the democrats consolidated. republicans consolidated. there's this small segment in the middle. many of whom who had voted for the president, but they weren't ready to say -- >> and who liked him. >> they hadn't turned away from him, but we didn't have their support. it was the perfect message to them. it's okay to make a change. he tried. you tried. let's move forward. >> why didn't you use that? >> i mean, it was something i think that buoyed the president, but the personal likability factor, but that people felt like this was something that if we were going to focus on the economy, it was something to go out there. i think that was a mistake, and stephanie has pointed out which is that we didn't do it in a broad and sustained away. we did it in precise hits here and there. >> to the president, i thought the negative ads were in bounds. where things weren't inbound was

on the senate level. i have a best of what i thought were the -- some of the most negative ads of the cycle. here it is. >> carmona is not who he seems. he has issues with anger, with ethics, and with women. >> with a history of bar brawls, altercations, and road rage, a trail of unpaid debts and tax liens, one of the worst attendance records in congress this year. >> mitt romney made over $100 million by shutting down our plant, and devastated our lives. turns out that when we built that stage, it was like building my own coffin. >> debbie spent so much american money, you borrow more and more from us. your economy get very weak. ours get very good. we take your jobs. thank you. >> perry, that was sort of the best of. the brutality -- the sort of -- there was a hackishness to the negative ads. >> there was a hackishness.

on the presidential ones the priority usa ads were at times very aggressive, very -- >> right on the line there. >> i thought they actually did a good job of playing a good message. they were the hardest possible mitt romney outsources things. if you look in ohio, i think those ads made a difference there, and they were useful. >> let's remember, though, on the negative front, that that connie mack ad that bill nelson thought he could lose. >> they just buried him. they didn't put it in there, but he had a bar fight with ron gant. >> he was 22 at the time. >> right. >> you are an idiot college kid. >> i always say in campaigns we focus so much on the presidential, but you can only really hate those who you know extremely well, and it's like the pta board race is always really, you what i mean? the lower down you get where you actually know more of the people, the presidential race barack obama know each other in the vaguest. >> i have seen people in

younkers, new york, that are ten times worse. >> i would say it's the hardest thing this year, and you were talking about it, is breaking through, and you were talking about your ad that broke through virally is big bird. >> yes. actually, without my money behind it. five million people. big bird never aired on television. >> it did. it was part of what we called our rotation, but just even putting out there five million people went to our website to look at it. >> no offense no big bird. here's the most viral ad of 2012. >> together we can do this. we can take this country back. ♪ i am america ♪ one voice united we stand ♪ i am america >> there it is. >> it was a great ad. at the same time -- >> he had no desire whatsoever to be president. >> he had no path. it was kind of like well, this is totally fascinating if you are not trying to be a serious presidential. >> he just wants to have fun.

>> first of all, i'm very anti-staff staffer. i really think we have to -- i'm not going to be on any tv ads for any candidate. it's only good advice for other staffers. >> let's take it away. >> d.c. is, of course, favorite political parlor game will be 2016. we have an open seat for the presidency, and it's open season for us to talk about it. don't forget, check us out on our website, msnbc.com and always follow us on facebook, like us, whatever you want to us. we'll be right back. ever. nurses are dealing with a wider range of issues. and there are ever-changing regulations. when you see these challenges, do you want to back away or take charge? with a degree in the field of healthcare or nursing from capella university,

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>> when your insurance rates go down, then you'll both be at -- >> any time anyone makes a trip to iowa, people start speculate about what you are going to do in the future and all that. let me just be blunt. i am not now, nor will i ever be a candidate for offensive

coordinator of iowa. >> it's way too early to talk about 2016. i think i did mention that i have a warm regard for the people of iowa and new hampshire. >> plenty of party favorites. they're already flirting with the 2016 run. let's be honest. there's one potential dynasty do-over that dominates the early news in both parties. let's bring back the gaggle. i look at this and say it's bush, it's clinton, it's for all the marbles. it's the rematch. if we don't get jeb and hillary, what are we going to do with ourselves? >> i love the primaries. >> i love great generals more. come on. this would be -- >> this would be -- had would be like that time when you were like what if hillary clinton ran for the senate and what if rudy giuliani ran against? >> i think it's the only ticket that's ever had close to it would be kennedy-nixon where you had the two big stars. >> two titanic figures of the party. you know, the thing i would say

is i actually think it is not too far fetched to think that could happen. i think if hillary clinton does run, i find it hard to believe that andrew cuomos and martin o'malley's of the world say in. jeb is the idealogical -- the guy who can mash the conservatives and the kind of establishment. he is the -- >> it's the purist versus the >> well, jeb is the guy that could breach the divide. let me ask you this, stephanie. it's not clear to me that clinton is the natural heir to the obama coalition. is it to you? is she? >> i think that there is no natural heir. people want you to earn it. i think that there is no argument out there that she hasn't earned it. she has. i think that she has done remarkably well as secretary of state.

so many issues. this is the year of the woman. >> it is. it's going to happen. >> the two most popular figures we tested in our last msnbc-wall street journal poll. both were named clinton, bill and hillary, they're favorability rating higher than the president's. >> she runs her -- that said, she's an overwhelming favorite. the heir, though, i think is i don't think the heir is joe biden if hillary clinton doesn't run. i actually think elizabeth warren, throwing an unusual name, if she were to run in 2016, she would have a great chance to maybe even defeat someone if it was not hillary clinton. >> he is a sitting vice president. >> he is vice president of the united states. >> he is a secret weapon. >> it's a weird thing. >> and he is very good on the -- people -- he gets charactered. this guy that makes a lot of mistakes. if you watch him on the stump, he is very good at connecting. he has built into the obama organization, and that is how he has flourished.

a lot of people within the media that really like him. to stephanie's point, you cannot sort of borrow or live off of what -- or be an heir to somebody else's organization. >> bush did it with reagan in 1988. he didn't hold. >> i'm talking about nowadays. would you have to manage your own organization, and i don't see any of this heirs or passing of the torches anymore. >> i agree with that. there is no heir. i do think that joe biden is formidable. he really was our secret weapon out there. >> ohio, iowa, wisconsin. he lived in those states. >> i'm not betting on andy cuomo over joe biden, a sitting vice president. i know that the rest of this -- >> i would. i would definitely -- >> i'm just saying.

>> that's the same argument we made for hillary clinton. well, she's going to have the money. she's got the establishment and all good people around her. andrew cuomo does not come into that race as formidable as hillary clinton looked in 2007. >> what about a republican? how do you prevent a republican primary picture that you guys had, which i think a lot of you folks and romney believe the -- >> look, i think the debates, actually, were -- became a bit of a side show there, and if you looked at the volatility of the electorate at the time and how the -- and how the numbers went up and down based on debate performances and the sideshow that they became, i think that was something that had a very big effect. i think the rnc can step in and take more of a management role many the process there and have an impact on an eventual nominee and have that nominee much more viably positioned for a general election.

>> so, you and i -- a fairly large field. jeb would shrink it a little bit. without jeb, boy, seven, eight serious people deep. >> unlike like the '12 field, where you had kind of like rick santorum is the last guy standing against mitt romney? >> herman cain? >> i should have went to vegas. herman cain? you have real people, paul ryan, the vp nominee, bobby jindal, a governor of a state, marco rubio, a senator. john thune, another senator -- you have real people. >> and let me throw a name that nobody has talked about here. of the four embattled republican governors of florida wisconsin, michigan and ohio, whoever survives will run for president. >> i think scott walker would love to run for president. >> let me add one more point, it's hard to see a 2016 republican ticket that doesn't have a woman or minority on it in some capacity. that's very important. >> i thought for sure there would be a woman on the ticket in the democratic party and there hasn't been one yet. we asked who was the first president and the most recent

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let's bring back the gaggle for some final thoughts here. if i pose this question to you, kevin, a year from now in 2013, we will say 2013 was about what in washington? >> well, i think a lot of it has

do with the republican party will be trying to modernize their message. i think the two parties are now trying to energize their base and get things done in washington. looking at two big issues. the tax reform, general disagreement there. >> how it goes. >> where they agree on things like corporate rate, and also immigration reform. >> stephanie, let me put it a slightly different way. how long does president obama's second term last? second terms don't last four years sometimes domestically. >> they last four years, but there's a shelf life to what you can get done. >> yeah. >> people will start looking at the midterms quickly. >> this is his year. >> 2013 is an important year to get things done. tax reform, immigration reform. we have to finish implementing the health care law. a year from now people will be signing up for exchanges in states all over the country. >> perry? >> we don't know if barack obama is a liberal a moderate. we've been debating that for two, four years. >> you think we'll know? >> i think we'll know.

>> is he a pragmatist? >> is he a pragmatist? an ideologuist. >> i'm going put you on the spot, mcauliffe, the big race in 2013. which will dominate the washington media market. terry mcauliffe? >> it's such a fascinating race, because it's kind of -- cucinelli is the national tea party hero in waiting, with alan west and michele bachmann. >> if he wins? >> if he wins, could see him in 2016. just saying. >> year of 2012, besides president obama's re-election, known as the year america got comfortable with gay marriage. that's it for this special edition of "the daily rundown." you can watch us at 9:00 a.m. on msnbc. happy holidays, happy new year. be safe from all of us at "the daily rundown." sometimes what we suffer from is bigger than we think ... like the flu.

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